Thursday, November 29, 2007

NY Times Duped by CIS?

I have heard reporters say repeatedly that they understood that one could not rely on the "reports'"of anti-immigrant groups such as the well-funded Center for Immigration Studies.  The unofficial paper of record seems to have missed that memo.  The N.Y. Times reports as news that

"Immigration over the past seven years was the highest for any seven-year period in American history, bringing 10.3 million new immigrants, more than half of them without legal status, according to an analysis of census data released today by the Center for Immigration Studies in Washington.

One in eight people living in the United States is an immigrant, the survey found, for a total of 37.9 million people — the highest level since the 1920s. The survey was conducted by Steven A. Camarota, director of research at the center, which advocates reduced immigration." (emphasis added).

There is a blog -- There Krikorian Goes Again -- that is devoted to "[a] sampling of the more startling anti-immigrant things Mark Krikorian (Executive Director of the Center for Immigration Studies) has written or said."  Check it out.

Why rely on a report as news from an advocacy group whose last report that even could be loosely characterized as pro-immigration was published in the Dark Ages?

KJ

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Frankly, I am horrified whenever I read a quote by CIS, FAIR, Numbersusa and any of the dozen or so organizations founded by John Tanton presented as if it were credible in the mainstream news. A little research will uncover the fact that these organizations are closely linked to unashamedly racist individuals and organizations like the CCC. The CIS has received funding from a variety of only racist sources including the Pioneer Fund, which provides grants to scientists who study eugenics related issues such as the intellectual inferiority/superiority of certain races. If a credible news source wants to quote one of these radical organizations, they need to provide their readers with the context that these organizations have openly radical foundations. The Southern Poverty Law has an interesting article. http://www.splcenter.org/intel/intelreport/article.jsp?aid=93

Posted by: Richard | Nov 29, 2007 5:52:40 AM

Krikorian is certainly a dangerous and disingenuous puppet for the far right. I wrote an article that was published in Immigration Daily back on Oct. 17 of this year, titled "The Enforcement Only Approach: Be Carefeul What You Wish For, You Just Might Get It." The article also appeared here on this blog. I wrote the article in opposition to an article that Krikorian wrote about how the Enforcement Only approach was working, (citing his "anecdotal evidence"). Here is an excerp from the article:

"Furthermore, if Mr. Krikorian were to get his wish, and the undocumented workforce were to give up and leave, it would create devastating geopolitical and economic complications that clearly he hasn't had the foresight to comprehend. His assertion that, "attrition is the real alternative to amnesty", is frankly scary in it's dangerous naiveté."

Posted by: Robert Gittelson | Nov 29, 2007 1:35:49 PM

Krikorian is certainly a dangerous and disingenuous puppet for the far right. I wrote an article that was published in Immigration Daily back on Oct. 17 of this year, titled "The Enforcement Only Approach: Be Carefeul What You Wish For, You Just Might Get It." The article also appeared here on this blog. I wrote the article in opposition to an article that Krikorian wrote about how the Enforcement Only approach was working, (citing his "anecdotal evidence"). Here is an excerp from the article:

"Furthermore, if Mr. Krikorian were to get his wish, and the undocumented workforce were to give up and leave, it would create devastating geopolitical and economic complications that clearly he hasn't had the foresight to comprehend. His assertion that, "attrition is the real alternative to amnesty", is frankly scary in it's dangerous naiveté."

Posted by: Robert Gittelson | Nov 29, 2007 1:36:18 PM

I don't understand why CIS thinks this is good news for restrictionists. Enforcement is as tough as it's ever been. Immigration is as high as it's ever been. There's a disconnect here that CIS seems to be missing. It's the immigration equivalent of the "all war all the time" plank of the contemporary GOP. Never mind the ever-diminishing returns to a strictly punitive approach, damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead!

Posted by: yave begnet | Nov 29, 2007 8:05:13 PM

THIS is one 'of the more startling anti-immigrant things Mark Krikorian (Executive Director of the Center for Immigration Studies) has written or said.'????

Krikorian on the horrors of cooking up legislation

behind closed doors -

“It's cooked up behind closed doors. It's buried within hundreds of pages of legislation. And it's based on the hope no one is paying attention.” Krikorian refers to the comprehensive immigration reform bill, CNN, July 18, 2007.

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Wow, I am so offended. KJ, are you disputing his statistic? It says it's based on census data. If so, it would be easy for a non-hack to use official data as their source. I agree a newspaper shouldn't simply regurgitate 'reports' by a group with an agenda. I hope you agree that the NYT, WaPo, etc. should also not regurgitate PRO-immigration reports from biased liberal immigration groups?

Posted by: Jack | Nov 30, 2007 2:16:31 AM

His assertion that, "attrition is the real alternative to amnesty", is frankly scary in it's dangerous naiveté."

How is it dangerous and naive, RG?

Posted by: Jack | Nov 30, 2007 2:17:43 AM

Jack asks the question, "How is it dangerous and naive, RG?", referring to the suggestion by Mark Krikorian that "attrition is the real alternative to amnesty".

Okay, let's pretend that a Magic Genie suddenly appeared to Mark Krikorian, and told him that he could have one wish granted, and Krikorian wishes that every illegal alien magically was transported back to their country of origin, (he would probably include legal immigrants as well -
but I digress.....). What would be the results at home and abroad, (which ultimately are inexorably connected by the way)?

At home, we would have massive work shortages in many sectors of our economy, ie:

1) Agriculture - since some 30% by most counts of our farm labor is illegal, and we are still understaffed on most farms already, we would be faced with an extreme crisis in our food supply. We would see massive price increases due to the lower supply, we would see a major reduction in our exports, (which would hurt our already bleeding trade deficit - causing further weakening of the dollar, since agricultural products are our number one export catagory).
2) We would see a crippling labor shortage in our domestic manufacturing, as many factories are dependant on long time undocumented employees who are fundamental to their ability to compete with imports on both price & especially capacity. Again this hurts us as inflationary at home, and weakening of our currency abroad.
3) The Travel & Leisure segment of our economy, one of our leading revenues, would be severely crippled in terms of our food service and hospitality. Restaurants and hotels would be extremey understaffed, causing less availability and higher costs when service was available. Less tourists abd business travelers would be able to be accomodated, hurting many additional sectors of our economy.
4) Etc., etc., etc. (The Dominoe Effect).

On the abroad side of the equation, we would see many countries that are already grappling with horrible unemployment and lack of subsistance, (which is why these 12,000,000 +/- economic refugees escaped here in the first place), become massively overburdened with all of these unemployed returning mouths to feed. They wouldn't be able to handle it well, which is an understatement.

How would this affect the already growing left wing socialist and communist movements in most of these countries, including Mexico on our southern border? It would bolster the Latin American shift to the left, to put it mildly.

I could go on and on, but I think that I've more then met the burdon of "dangerous and naive".

Posted by: Robert Gittelson | Nov 30, 2007 7:35:01 AM

Gittleson is an employer in the notorioulsy exploitive garment industry, one that pays low wages with no benefits, a fact that weight heavily on lack of his credibility. I suspect that it is in your self-interest to maintain the status quo and allow continued illegal immigration so as to maintain your cheap labor pool. Gittleson, you used innuendo, to attack Krikorian as being anti-immigrant as well as anti-illegal immigrants, remember "he would probably include legal immigrants as well - but I digress..", so turnabout is fair play. By the way, Gittleson, how many of the illegal aliens that you employ can actually afford health care on your wages, or do you just give them directions to the nearest hospital emergency room so the taxpayer can foot the bill, while you reap the gain?

Posted by: Horace | Dec 1, 2007 10:46:21 AM

"2) We would see a crippling labor shortage in our domestic manufacturing, as many factories are dependant on long time undocumented employees who are fundamental to their ability to compete with imports on both price & especially capacity. Again this hurts us as inflationary at home, and weakening of our currency abroad."

Mr. Gittleson, I will take this as a confession that you advocate exploiting cheap illegal immigrant labor to the point of driving down labor costs to the point of competing with the few dollars per day made by the average Chinese laboror, and driving down wages for U.S. citizens. American labor is not only being told that their jobs have to be exported to foreigners, but that foreigners have to be imported into their counntry to replace them at lower wages. I concur with Horace that your talking about your own personal skin rather that any charitable feelings or fairness towards illegal immigrants. You are condemned by your own words.

Posted by: George | Dec 1, 2007 3:20:16 PM

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