Sunday, October 14, 2007
California DREAM Dies Again: Governator Once Again Strikes at Undocumented Immigrants for Political Gain
Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger has vetoed the California Dream Act, the second time in two years that he had rejected a proposal by California Senator Gil Cedillo (D-Los Angeles) to extend college financial aid to undocumented immigrant students. The legislation would have made California high school graduates who met the nonresident in-state tuition requirements eligible for the Cal Grant financial aid program and a fee waiver at community colleges.
Schwarzenegger vetoed the measure, citing its cost: "At a time when segments of California public higher education, the University of California and the California State University, are raising fees on all students attending college in order to maintain the quality of education provided, it would not be prudent to place additional strain on the General Fund to accord the new benefit of providing state subsidized financial aid to students without lawful immigration status."
Cedillo said that college administrators supported the bill. According to the L.A. Times, "Cedillo said the governor objected last year to a version of the bill that might have allowed some illegal immigrants to get financial aid before all qualified legal residents received aid. But the senator said the new bill required that all requests by legal residents be filled before aid could be made available to others."
Governor Schwarzenegger has a history in the state on the issue of undocumented immigration. He engineered the denial of driver's license to undocumented immigrants, thereby ensuring that police lacked basic records of millions of people and that many drivers on our roads lack safety testing and liability insurance; all of these consequences negatively impact U.S. citizens and legal immigrants. By denying access to undocumented immigrants to our public universities, the Governor's veto of the DREAM Act hurts our economy and residents of our state.
Latinos supported the Governor in large numbers in past elections. Time will tell whether this will hold true in the future.
KJ
https://lawprofessors.typepad.com/immigration/2007/10/california-drea.html
Comments
From my understanding of Horace, the DREAM Act is the flip side of Hazleton's anti-illegal alien ordinance. By his measure, Eliot Spitzer's plan to give illegal aliens driver's licenses would interfere in the control of immigration. In general, just about any government benefit provided to citizens that lacks the control to deny it to illegal immigrants is subject to the veto power of the federal government.
Posted by: Georg | Oct 14, 2007 8:00:35 PM
Every once in a while, after sounding off on Horace, I think maybe I went too far - the guy isn't all bad. Then I read more of his insane gibberish. "Arnold is an intelligent politician." Damn, man. You expose your ignorance at every turn. If I told you he signed a bill banning local governments from passing Hazleton ordinances earlier in the week would you say the same thing?
Do you ever put forward a reasonable, well-thought out argument? And what's up with this ridculously backwards analysis? If an ordinance that discourages illegal immigration is unconstitutional then one that encourages it is also unconstitutional!? You're a bufoon. Arnold has lost a lot of capital in this state with his right wing handlers while pursuing the interests of his true base - corporate profiteers. He vetoed this bill to appease that small right wing minority and because another hot-button topic regarding CSU executive comp is on his table.
Well, I guess I can scratch Cali off my "Where's Horace?" map since he obviously doesn't live here. Just wondering - are you from North carolina or a border State?
Posted by: jms | Oct 15, 2007 2:55:57 PM
You're the buffoon, jms. Judge Munley said that Hazleton's effort to stop illegal immigration was unconstitutional and I'm saying that the State of California's facilitation by preventing landlord cooperation with the federal government is also unconstitutional. Any effort by states to affect immigration policy, the regulation of which is evidently the prerogative of the federal government, is unconstitutional, regardless of whether it affects illegal immigrants positively or negatively (for them). The Supremacy Clause says that federal law takes precidence over state law. Interference by the state usurps the federal government's prerogative of control, regardless of intended outcome.
Posted by: Horace | Oct 15, 2007 5:44:15 PM
The Dream Act is a some kind of joke right? There are loop holes in this bill. First, illegal alien does not really have to serve in the military or go to college at all. He only has the option of two years of College or serving in the military. Gee, which one would you take?
Second, before the illegal alien even goes to college or serve in the military (joke) he/she gets amesty to stay in the US and greed cards for his/her whole illegal alien family. He/she doesn't even have to give or serve in anything. Real legal immigrants have been willing served in the military. Willing to give their lives to earn the right to become citzens in this great nation of ours. Besides, proponets whine that illegal aliens might be forced to serve in the military. Personally I think the US can do a lot better having to recruit illegal aliens who come here to only to gratify themselves.
Going to college and getting "in state tution" to better one owns life is not a real sarcrifice of any kind. It's just "illegal alien, please take take take." Gee, if all Americans could be treated in this way!
It's a Joke on America. Even American citizens from different states can not get in state tution. Then recieve pell and tap grants because of low income. Middle class American Citizens can not recieve those benifits. It's a free ride.It's Illegal Alien supremacy. The provision and benifits to the illegal alien is favored far above that of averge law abding American tax paying Citizen. The Amereican tax payer pays for it all.
Man, do we spoil illegals in this country or what? Liberal democrates and President Bush has them soiled they think they are enttled to this amesty. Where's the sacrifice or true service? How stupid do they think the American people are? The illegal Alien thinks he/she can get away with anything and still be rewarded for his/her illegal behavior. What a silly arrogant greedy Dream Act fantasy.
Posted by: Dannygirl | Oct 15, 2007 7:46:51 PM
The Dream Act is a some kind of joke right? There are loop holes in this bill. First, illegal alien does not really have to serve in the military or go to college at all. He only has the option of two years of College or serving in the military. Gee, which one would you take? Second, before the illegal alien even goes to college or serve in the military (joke) he/she gets amesty to stay in the US and greed cards for his/her whole illegal alien family. He/she doesn't even have to give or serve in anything. Real legal immigrants have been willing served in the military. Willing to give their lives to earn the right to become citzens in this great nation of ours. Besides, proponets whine that illegal aliens might be forced to serve in the military.Frankly, I think the US can do a lot better then having to recruit illegal aliens who come here to only to gratify themselves.
Posted 10/15/2007 7:50:31 PM
Going to college and getting "in state tution" to better one owns life is not a real sarcrifice of any kind. It's just "illegal alien, please take take take." Gee, if all Americans could be treated in this way! It's a Joke on America. Even American citizens from different states can not get in state tution. Then recieve pell and tap grants because of low income. Middle class American Citizens can not recieve those benifits. It's a free ride.It's Illegal Alien supremacy. The provision and benifits to the illegal alien is favored far above that of averge law abding American tax paying Citizen. The Amereican tax payer pays for it all.
Man, do we spoil illegals in this country or what? Liberal democrates and President Bush has them soiled they think they are entitled to this amesty. Where's the sacrifice or true service? Many American Citizens have willingly served in miltary to get the GI grants. He really sacrifices him/she self for his/her Country. But, what does the illegal alien sacrifice for this country after sneaking here illegally? How stupid do they think the American people are? The illegal Alien thinks he/she can get away with anything and still be rewarded for his/her illegal behavior. What a silly arrogant greedy Dream Act fantasy. Thank God Governer Arnold Schwarzenegger vetoed it.
Posted by: Dannygirl | Oct 15, 2007 8:08:03 PM
Well, Horace, you just said that the guy that signed a law in California last week banning Hazleton ordinances was an intelligent politician that understands the will of the electorate. So, I guess you're an open borders softy now. Way to go KJ you turned Horace.
And where does it say in the constitution that the federal government has the right to set state college fees? Educate me Horace I am not a lawyer.
Posted by: jms | Oct 16, 2007 8:21:41 AM
"And where does it say in the constitution that the federal government has the right to set state college fees? Educate me Horace I am not a lawyer."
As a minimum the DREAM Act could be construed as facilitating the violation of federal law. We already have laws that say that illegal aliens are not welcome here. The DREAM Act would have aided and abetted illegal immigration by making it easier for illegal aliens to maintain a presence. The taxpayers should not be made to subsidize illegal aliens. The law is the will of the people and the DREAM Act would've acted contrary to the people's interests. Nothing complicated about that, is there? If you don't like it, try changing the law, if you can.
Posted by: Horace | Oct 16, 2007 3:27:10 PM
I was researching immigration law issues and ran across an additional resource that you might want to add to your resource page. There is a lot of great information on www.cpvisa.com and I found their site to be very useful.
Have a great day,
Posted by: Marat | Feb 22, 2008 8:42:14 AM
Arnold is an intelligent politician and obviously recognizes the will of the constituency that elected him. It seems reasonable that taxpayer funds should be utilized for the benefit of this country's citizens and not others. In terms of quid pro quo, I've never heard of Mexico subsidizing any initiative to the benefit of Americans.
The DREAM Act interferes with the federal government's prerogative to regulate immigration, as it serves as an inducement to violate federal immigration law. If it is true as you have contended, that state laws and local ordinances designed to discourage illegal immigration violate the Constitution, state laws that have the effect of inducing illegal immigration are also in violation of that document. Any act on the part of any level of government other than federal that affects the welfare of an illegal alien interferes with the latter's power to control immigration, and is unconstitutional. The California DREAM Act facilitates the presence of illegal aliens and is thus illegal.
Posted by: Horace | Oct 14, 2007 7:11:14 PM