Tuesday, December 11, 2007

FAIR a "Hate Group"?

The Southern Poverty Law Center has declared the Federation for American Immigration Reform, a high profile advocate of immigration reform, to be a "hate" group. Here is the beginning of the story:

"The Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR) is almost certainly the most-quoted immigration restriction organization in America. In just the last few weeks, its leaders have enlightened cable viewers with their views on such topics as “American ‘Intifada’ in Our Future?” “Driving While Illegal,” “Should ALL Illegal Aliens Be Deported?” and “Economic Impact of Migration.” In the past six years, FAIR officials have testified at least 30 times to Congress. Day in and day out, FAIR is taken seriously as a mainstream commentator on the immigration debate.

It shouldn’t be. The founder, chief ideologue and long-time funder of FAIR is a racist. Key staff members have ties to white supremacist groups, some are members, and some have spoken at hate group functions. FAIR has accepted more than $1 million from a racist foundation devoted to studies of race and IQ, and to eugenics — the pseudo-science of breeding a better human race that was utterly discredited by the Nazi euthanasia program. It spreads racist conspiracy theories. Its political ads have caused numerous politicians, Democratic and Republican, to denounce it."

Click the link above for the rest of the story.



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Now, if you'd like to be intellectually honest:
1. Which other groups have received money from the PioneerFund?
2. Which foreign government does the SPLC have an indirect link to? (Hint: I got that information from a PDF posted to this very site.)

Posted by: TLB | Dec 11, 2007 1:25:25 PM

Judge the SPLC for yourself:



"He's the Jim and Tammy Faye Bakker of the civil rights movement," renowned anti- death-penalty lawyer Millard Farmer says of Dees, his former associate, "though I don't mean to malign Jim and Tammy Faye."


Posted by: Jack | Dec 11, 2007 11:04:24 PM

That's some irony you have there TLB. You link to free republic that allows the use of the word "wetback" and "beaner" when you criticize the SPLC. Bigoted posters are never banned and 1/2 the time the posts stay up. I have a flash drive full of bigoted freeper posts.

Posted by: DM | Dec 12, 2007 5:47:59 AM

Jack, the SPL findings are no secret. You can criticize the SPL all you want, but it is public knowledge that Tanton’s organizations received funding from racist organizations such as the Pioneer Fund, as well as a few openly racist wealthy individuals. The SPL just summarized the the information nicely.

The dozen or so of Tanton’s organizations (such as CIS, FAIR, Numberusa) oppose all types of immigration (not just undocumented immigration) because they are concerned about the cultural “non-economic” impact of non-white people in America. Jack – that is the definition of xenophobia and the foundation of hate and racism.

Posted by: Richard | Dec 12, 2007 1:51:26 PM

"That's some irony you have there TLB. You link to free republic that allows the use of the word "wetback" and "beaner" when you criticize the SPLC. Bigoted posters are never banned and 1/2 the time the posts stay up. I have a flash drive full of bigoted freeper posts."

Check out the "Speaking Freely" blog (http://aclupa.blogspot.com/) sponsored by the Pennsylvania ACLU. They also permit both sides of the issue to post, and they don't censor your so-called racists and bigots either. Does that make the PA ACLU bigots and racists? Unlike censors like you, DM, and your buddies at bobblehead fruit "Citizen Orange" and "Immigration Orange", they're not afraid of speech, regardless of its nature.

Posted by: Horace | Dec 12, 2007 3:41:05 PM

'they are concerned about the cultural “non-economic” impact of non-white people in America. Jack – that is the definition of xenophobia and the foundation of hate and racism.'

Rich, cultural concerns are not the definition of xenophobia but fit with one of the various definitions of 'nativism', in this case #2:

na·tiv·ism (nt-vzm)
1. A sociopolitical policy, especially in the United States in the 19th century, favoring the interests of established inhabitants over those of immigrants.
2. The reestablishment or perpetuation of native cultural traits, especially in opposition to acculturation.
3. Philosophy The doctrine that the mind produces ideas that are not derived from external sources.
nativ·ist n.
nativ·istic adj.

The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition copyright ©2000 by Houghton Mifflin Company. Updated in 2003. Published by Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved.


Nativism, as a word relevant to immigration, is so overused and in so many contexts it isn't very descriptive. I think #2 above is the narrowest and preferred one if the word is to mean much in the immigration context. It can be used to describe, e.g., Huntington or Buchanan and actually mean something specific.

One of the meanings according to the Columbia Encyclopedia is:

'The term has also been used to refer to a widespread attitude in a society of a rejection of alien persons or culture.'

I think this one is a little broad. 'Rejection of alien persons' is kind of vague and doesn't account well for those who reject illegal aliens but welcome legal aliens. Nor does it distinguish between immigrants as people and immigration as policy.

You can take SPLC innuendo and guilt by association fallacy as gospel if you want but remember they are biased in favor of sensationalism in order to raise more money. Thus, take anything they say with a grain of salt.

Posted by: Jack | Dec 12, 2007 10:28:22 PM

DM, I am not a 'FReeper' but they were the only source of the full article text I could find. Sorry if you were offended--I didn't even read the comments.

Posted by: Jack | Dec 12, 2007 10:48:44 PM

FAIR is opposed to most cases of LEGAL immigration as well. So Nativists is the correct term in describing them.

Posted by: DM | Dec 13, 2007 6:39:00 AM

If FAIR is a hate group, then you need to put the majority of Americans on that list too as the majority of America are of like mind.
You need to do your research, and not accept the self appointed SPLC as the HATE Officiatos. Their information is wrong. They claim that FAIR has white supremacist ties because they accepted money from the The Pioneer Fund, and that the Pioneer Fund, produced the Bell Curve study. The Bell Curve was funded by the Bradley Foundation.
Regardless, the SPLC continues to use the Pioneer Fund as it's basis for the tie to White Supremacist. If receiving money from the Pioneer Fund makes someone a white supremists, you better add the names of all the top universities in this country like John Hopkins University, University of California Berkley, University of Georgia, University of Texas at Austin, University of California Santa Barbara, University of Deleware, and frankly the list goes on...to the supremists list, as they have all received grants from the Pioneer Fund.
Someone needs to rethink the validity of comments from the Southern Poverty Law Center!

Posted by: Jenna | Dec 13, 2007 1:42:58 PM

I've known all along FAIR was a hate group. I'm just glad the SPLC got around to classifying it. You're wrong, most Americans thing highly of immigrants and of our immigrants past.

FAIR is opposed to Indian and Filipino doctors coming here to serve in under served areas. They are opposed to South American millionaires who come here to start businesses to aid our economy.

Why is FAIR opposed to people who can only help our country?
We all know that answer.
That is why they are a hate group.

Posted by: DM | Dec 13, 2007 5:36:54 PM


Posted by: DANA | Feb 4, 2008 4:50:17 PM

Would you all like to know what "FAIR" is? Fair is allowing migration to the United States from ALL COUNTRIES in the world in equal numbers as a percentage of global population, and altered just enough to cover need for our country and the talents found among those groups. That is FAIR.

FAIR is NOT giving amnesty to illegal immigrants, regardless of country of origin.
FAIR is NOT showing favoritism to Latin America, Mexico specifically, or any other country.
FAIR is NOT importing cheap labor to do work we are fully capable of doing, simply so that business can profit more from lowering wages.

Two groups that are NOT FAIR:
1) La Raza
2) The Southern Poverty Law Center

Neither group wants to be FAIR - both want to show favoritism to the Latino population, legal or otherwise. This is frighteningly similar to the KKK agenda, and all the other groups you tout as evil. Indeed they are, but so are you.

Posted by: David | Feb 4, 2008 5:10:22 PM

I see that you(DM) have also posted NumbersUSA in the hate group parenthesis. You say that they are only trying to stop immigration because they are racist. That is the craziest thing I have ever heard. For one thing not all NumbersUSA members are even white (if you even believe in "race", a concept that is really unprovable beyond "human race") There are many working people of all skin tones and all accents who support NumbersUSA for environmental reasons, carbon footprint, water resources, supporting Americans with disabilities who need the supposedly unfillable jobs, unemployed IT workers from all backgrounds, people who believe that countries like Mexico should have to treat their own people as human beings and cut down on the defacto enslavement of their citizens to the top 1% of its citizens. In the face of our water shortages, our overpopulation problems, our recession, our terrible debt for young Americans trying to pay for college, AMericans of all colors I might add, with the costs of all of that and much more--the plight of African Americans in places like LA where they are once again pushed down and stepped on with no protection from our government from the overcrowding and assaults of undocumented ( many times gang related assaults) from the undocumente/documented Latino gang violence--as African American victims of racism? Are you saying that these members of NumbersUSA are lily white racists? Americans have just as much right to try and protect their natural resouces, access to jobs, and employment, fair tax policy that doesn't hurt the workers to support people who are breaking American law. Hey , we are full. Whenever in history we have allowed too much immigration to be assimilated we have had to shut down for a while. This only makes sense--it is not racist. Calling it racist while letting groups like La Raza (THE race?) off the hook and while supporting other blatantly racist groups that are supporting the "Holocost" in Gaza is just really crazy. I am no racist. I am not sexist. I am not a proponent of any such nonsense. I feel that as a nation we need to take care of our own business, which isn't doing so well--check the dollar and our trade deficit and the national debt and the number of unemployed youth and others in our cities, the poisons in our air and water--we need to put out a sign "closed for repairs" until we get our own house in order. Other nations do this and we think it is ok. We don't say other countries HAVE to take more people in. Let Mexico deal with their own people--even MExico won't let in the folks from their south who want in--and they don't treat them very well when they do sneak in. You are worried about a raid here where some folks get detained--check out what happens on Mexicos SOUTERN border to those who dare try get into MExico. Do we deserve to be a country with borders and laws and customs or not. That is my question to you. If we do what is wrong with that and if we don't? Do other countries get held to the same open borders standards? What about Israel? Should anyone who is poorer than the average Israeli get to come in? Why the double standards?

Posted by: Jane Klamet | Mar 11, 2008 9:15:58 AM

That's some irony you have there TLB. You link to free republic that allows the use of the word "wetback" and "beaner" when you criticize the SPLC. Bigoted posters are never banned and 1/2 the time the posts stay up. I have a flash drive full of bigoted freeper posts.

Posted by: Noclegi Ustka | Jul 23, 2008 4:38:41 AM

I've just finished watching a video on Propeller which had some remarks by Mark Potok (that's the way his name was spelled, sorry if it's incorrect.) This video addressed the reaction of "white supremacist" groups to the relatively recent influx of illegal Hispanic immigrants to northwest Arkansas, particularly the town of Rogers. Having grown-up in Southern California in the 1950's - 60's and moving to Arkansas in the early 1970's, and then returning to California in late 1999, I have had the unique experience of seeing the cultural changes in both California and Arkansas. Mr. Potok states (or words to this effect) that the concerns of these "white supremacists" are (now get ready for a BIG SURPRISE)...RACIST!!! Its just good to know where one stands with Mr. Potok and the Southern Poverty Law Center (I wish I had just a tenth of the "poverty" found in your FAT budget): If one agrees with them, they deem one "good", if one disagrees, they deem one (are you ready for the seldom use adjective again?)...RACIST!!! Forget the merits and facts of the issue or incident at hand. Never heed what I have experienced and been subjected to in my old childhood "stomping grounds" upon my return. If I don't care for the deleterious results of unchecked illegal immigration, I'm (here comes the word that the SPLC and Mr. Potok SELDOM use)....RACIST!!!
There is a term that fits the SPLC, Mr. Potok, and their other "fellow travelers", it is (with apologies to Mr. Lenin): "MYOPTIC FOOLS"! In regards to these "white supremacists", perhaps they are merely like other ethnic groups who want something to call their own. If the ethnic Chinese have their "China Town", the ethnic Vietnamese have their "Little Saigon", and other ethnic groups have their "towns", what is so WRONG with white folks wishing to keep the town or area they have grown-up and lived-in all their lives the way it is, as much as possible? The damage to society I have seen with the influx of ILLEGAL immigrants (I MUST specify, for groups such as the SPLC have a habit of twisting one's words to the effect that one seems of LEGAL immigrants as well in order to confuse the issue) is one of: 1.) CLOSED hospitals due to over use of the emergency rooms and the birthing "anchor babies", 2.) OVERCROWED schools and the need to print EVERYTHING in Spanish as well as English [do you know the cost of printing something in TWO languages? Well, I do, I worked at a printing company, and we would laugh all the way to the bank whenever we landed a school or government contract!], 3.) LACK of affordable housing [the more people, the higher the rent or purchase price] 4.) LOWERING the wage-base for AMERICAN workers. 5.) DRUG resistant strains of diseases (TB) and the recurrence of diseases which we haven't seen in America for years. I could go on, but those five FACTS should suffice. Now remember, since I pointed these out, I must be (are you ready yet again for the word that the SPLC seldom uses?)....RACIST!!! Well, if the price of telling it "like it is" is being called RACIST, I don't really give a darn! Sincerely, an American Veteran.

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